Motorcycle Dim Sum: Sample a Kymco at Cycle World Shows

Sure thing. Maybe we’ll get to demo here in NY in Decemeber, if it’s not snowing. little motor now, but it equates to about 100 HP/liter. Cheap too

Hey Basem!
I’ll test ride a Kymco at this year’s Long Beach International Motorcycle Show. Based upon the reviews I’ve read, they’re sub-standard bikes now, but I bet in a few years they’ll have developed something road worthy.
MC-G
http://www.motorcycle-intelligence.com

The Chinese are becoming quite good at producing very poor quality, superficially similar copies to good quality cars & Power Equipment….Bikes was only a matter of time. They’re probably bloody awful right now. I doubt the Chinese will be producing a truly high quality product in the near future. Let’s see if they’re still building bikes in 10 years.
Remember where Hyundai was in 1986…the Pony just about buried them and probably cost them a fortune. They have however, bounced back.

Kymco is Taiwan, not a cheap mainland Chinese co.
KYMCO was established in 1963 and for over 40 years was the major parts and small engine manufactor for Honda.
They are the #1 manufactor for scooters in Taiwan and #5 worldwide.
They make a quality product that comes with a 2 year parts and labor warrenty on all Scooters,Motorcycles and ATV’s.
The only motorcycle that is delivered to the USA is the Venox 250cc carb. model, though they have come out with a fuel injected model overseas this year.
The Venox 250 puts out 28+HP @10,500 RPM in stock condition.It has one of the most advanced modern engine that is made by anyone !!
It performs more like a 650-750cc bike.
I own 2, got my first one in 2003 and have had ZERO problems !!
CHECK THEM OUT…

Kymco is not mainland chinese crap. I can’t speak for their MCs or ATVs, but their scooters are highly regarded, very popular and very well-made, probably the best value for money in the scooter industry today. The US importers are good people with a good long-term plan and provide great service, parts and training, they’re the exact opposite of all this chinese trash that’s flooding the market right now, so it’s a bummer to hear them lumped in with that. That headline/story was pretty silly, though. They added a disclaimer stating it was a joke. I guess it got them some publicity, though it’s hard to say if that was a good or bad thing, with stories like this.

Yes, these bikes are Taiwanese. I am sure the Taiwnanese Manufacturers just love to be lumped in with the Chinese substandard bikes that is being produced. The bike is as good or better than any Japenese bike of the same category. It sells for a little more too and has twice the warranty.

Obxbiker….I stand corrected on all but a couple points…
- You may rest assured Honda makes their own engines.
- 250cc / 28hp / 190kg (that’s over 400lbs) … under no circumstances does it perform like 650 / 750 anything…unless of course you’re talking about a 28hp, 400 lb 650…
Cheers

Pete and everyone else…You may rest assured that until 2002 when they seperated completly from Honda, that Kymco made small cc engines for Honda.We have the facts @ http://www.prideinwhatyouride.com that prove this (past articles).
As to performing like a 650-750cc bike ,its at the low end speed that it gives that impression.Once past 40-45mph it WILL get left behind and tops out around 100mph.It has a very high reving engine more like a sport bike.Much more power then other 250’s.
example:
Honda Rebel 18hp
Kymco Venox 28hp
With just a few inexpenive mods,
1. new 43 tooth rear sprocket
2. new http://fithgearcustoms.com free flow exhaust
You can add about 30% MORE power to the rear wheel.
These are FACTS proven in real world riding.

Fact:
Up until 2002 Kymco was a primary small engine manufactor for Honda.
As to performing like a 650-750cc bike, let me clarify.
Its at the lowend that this is true.It has a high reving engine (10,500rpm) more like you would find in a ’sport bike’.
Once over 50mph the horses are not there .
However with a few inexpensive mods you can add about 30% more HP to the rear end.
1. change the rear sproket to 43 teeth
2. change the exhaust to a free flow system
EX: http://www.prideinwhatyouride.com
Venox bolt on exhaust system
The Kymco Venox is basicly a retooled Honda Magna 250/VT250C that was avaliable in Asia through out the 90’s.
For more facts, go to http://www.prideinwhatyouride.com

I bought my Venox in April 2006 and have had NO problems. It’s a great bike with a great look. Everywhere I go I get comments on my bike. NO ONE believes it’s only a 250cc. I ride with a group and I am the only 250cc, they have all commented on the fact that I have no problems keeping up. Don’t underestimate this bike. But, don’t take my word for it, go ride it!

“Honda makes their own engines”
All of them? Really?

As far as performing like a 650/750 maybe some but not all. It seems as quick in town as a Vstar 650 but not as much torque.

Enjoy your fantasy with your 4th rate pretend motorcycles….the day a sprocket and exhaust (30% ??? – yeah right) turn a POS into a real bike, I’ll be standing in line. It hasn’t happened yet and it’s not about to.
I’ll keep riding real bikes.
I especially enjoyed your little animation of the whacko shooting at “George”. That, if nothing else, should tell everyone enough about you.

Do they use lead paint?

Here is a list of various reviews and articles
[URL=http://z11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=2548&st=0&#entry5995513]VENOX REVIEW, South Africa[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=655]On The Horizon Roadbike Magazine April 2006[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=252]Minnesota Motorcycle Monthly[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=255]The Mail & Gaurdian[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=101]A Cool, Glittering 250cc Cruise Irish Times[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=103]Whatsa Kymco? Kymco Venox 250[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=98]Looks Can Be Deceiving; Venox has Attitude Motorcycle Cruiser[/URL]

[URL=http://s11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=293]Venox Review, MiamiNewTimes.com[/URL]

[URL=http://z11.invisionfree.com/HyosungCruisersOz/index.php?showtopic=1548]Big Cruiser Looks, Big Cruiser Sound…, Canadian reviews[/URL]

Pete, I’m curious. What do you mean by “real bikes”?

Don’t worry Pete, one day your mommy and daddy will let you have a motorcycle too. In the meantime the grownups are talking…

Pete,
Great to see you are an expert on 250cc motorcycles. Without riding a Kymco VenoX I have no idea how you are qualified to comment on them. You are talking to owners who are in touch with a large body of other owners. Why not go to http://www.prideinwhatyouride.com and see for yourself? The forum tells the story warts and all and I can tell you the warts are very thin on the ground.
The VenoX may not suit a professional motorcyclist like you but for learners, or cruisers’ even touring it does a great job from all accounts. I must point out that I don’t own a VenoX or any Kymco product but I have at least done enough reading about Kymco to know they are Taiwanese not Chinese and that Taiwan is independent of China. While China is struggling with quality Taiwanese manufacturers are really producing some good quality products, so good that Japanese manufacturers are using Taiwanese manufacturers for a lot of their lines. If you doubt the connection between Kymco and Honda, a Google search for the Honda VT250C should reveal that the VT250C is an early VenoX!
So until you know what you are talking about maybe you should listen to people who do.

I own a chopper shop and have had the pleasure of completely disassembling a Kymco Venox. As with most bikes nowadays – there is a good bit of plastic on them, but they are well built and perform nicely with everything my shop threw at it. What it compares to is relative to what you are used to riding and how you are used to driving, so I am not here to comment on that. I did want to point out that I have had personal experience with one of these bikes and was so impressed with it’s abilities – I am hunting one down for my wife to replace her 600cc Honda Shadow.
When someone makes snap calls about a product they dont know anything about or have any experience with, it seriously discredits everything else you have to say. If you cant look at it objectively – you cant form an educated impression.

“a bit curious about their cycles– even if they sport derivative looks and unproven engineering”
Your ignorance is showing!
KYMCO or Kwang Yang Motor Co, is based in Taiwan, not China.
KYMCO has been building engines for HONDA since 1963.
The KYMCO scooter line is state of the art with the top model sporting 500cc and liquid cooling!
The Venox motorcycle was originally the Honda Magna VT250 which wasn’t marketed in the US. KYMCO re-engineered it and introduced it in 2002 as the Venox after Honda discontinued the VT250.
Do your homework before making disparaging remarks.

Well…I stand rebuffed and firmly planted in ‘my place’….
Sorry if I offended anyone. Aren’t forums fun!!

Pete,
I trust you will take an oportunity if it becomes available to you to test ride a VenoX or another of the Kymco line? If you approach it from the standpoint that it’s just a 250 motorcycle or what ever size you try, you will be impressed. Also remember that not everyone is into the fastest bike on the road, if they were there would only be one type of bike on the road.
Enjoy your real bikes.
Pat

The Toronto Int’l MC show is usually mid Jan (-20…dead of winter….good time for a bike show!)
I’ll be sure to have good look at them.

Hi John,

As mention in the first line of my post, Kymco is Taiwanese; I mention China as a geographical distinction, rather than a political one.

I also stand by my use of the phrase “derivative styling” because I see no evidence of innovation in Kymco’s design. As for their track record, they may have been in business for years, but they are new to the U.S.- and therefore unproven in that market. Isn’t that why they’re offering test rides?

I look forward to road testing Kymcos in the future; until then, these are simply my honest opinions.

Thanks,
Basem

I would gladly test ride a Chinese or Korean bike.

Basem,
So it would be fair for me to call cars made in the USA Chinese too as they are made in the USA which extends out into the Pacific in Hawaii and that isn’t all that far from the Philippines and hey that’s as close to China as you would ever care to get so all American cars are Chinese!

Now, unknown or untested, lets talk about your myopic view on that term.
I’m guessing you live in a state of the USA, so if something has been sold in another state of the USA with a great deal of success in that market when it comes to your state it’s a new and unproven product? Right.
Kymco VenoX is extremely popular in Spain, that’s part of Europe and it isn’t Germany by the way. The people who own then in Spain are very happy with their VenoXs so I fail to understand given that Taiwan is China that Americans can be that different in their requirements, after all using your rationalisation of your statement which revealed your ignorance of the origin of the Venox and it’s heritage USA is after all near enough to China.
The correct term for the geographical area that encompasses China, Japan South Korea and Taiwan is [b]SOUTH EAST ASIA.[/b]

Here endeth the lesson.

Pat,

Thanks for the lesson.

The heading on Taiwan’s official website (http://www.gio.gov.tw/) reads:

“Government Information Office, Republic of China”

Don’t be so defensive about China; they may have had their share of bad press recently, but my reference was not a slam. Semantics aside, I don’t doubt Taiwan or China is capable of building a good bike. It’s simply naive to think that regionalism won’t have a hand in deciding whether or not they succeed in the U.S.; their success in Spain or elsewhere is wonderful, but as I’m sure you’re aware, different markets have different demands, and American consumers are among the most discerning in the world.

You said “… if something has been sold in another state of the USA with a great deal of success in that market when it comes to your state it’s a new and unproven product? Right.” Ask any marketing executive about the challenge of selling products across 50 states, and they’ll tell you about peculiarities of each market, and if they’re good, they’ll discern down to the neighborhood.

Basem

(R.O.C.)REPUBLIC OF CHINA

History
In April 1947, the ROC government moved from political tutelage to constitutional rule, completing all preparations for the implementation of constitutional government and expanding all ministries, commissions, and councils under the Executive Yuan. On April 23, the Executive Yuan was reorganized; and the Government Information Office (GIO) and agencies for health, irrigation, and land affairs were established. The GIO was formally set up in Nanjing, Chinese mainland, on May 2, 1947, with three departments overseeing domestic and international publicity, media industry guidance, and news analysis.
On March 21, 1949, the ROC president promulgated the revision of Articles 3 and 5 of the Organic Law of the Executive Yuan, whereby the organization of the Yuan was streamlined and its agencies were regrouped into eight ministries, two commissions, and one department. Two weeks later on April 5, the Executive Yuan approved at its 52nd meeting the establishment of an Information Department under the Secretariat of the Executive Yuan. Twenty days later, the headquarters of the Information Department were transferred to Guangzhou, Chinese mainland, along with the central government.

Following the central government’s relocation to Taipei, Taiwan, on December 7, 1949, the Executive Yuan was reorganized in March 1950 and the Information Department was abolished. On April 24, the Executive Yuan established by administrative order the Office of Government Spokesman, which was responsible for issuing press releases.

The GIO was reactivated under its original structure on January 1, 1954, in response to changes at home and abroad. Although its organic law was revised twice, in 1955 and 1958, its three departments remained in operation. In December 1968, the GIO was revamped to incorporate three departments (for domestic publicity; international publicity; and compilation and translation) as well as two offices (for audio-visual materials; and information and liaison). In August 1973, the GIO also became responsible for mass media guidance and regulation, which was previously under the jurisdiction of the Ministries of the Interior and Education and other related agencies. Departments of publication affairs, motion picture affairs, and broadcasting affairs were subsequently established under the GIO.

In February 1981, the domestic and international publicity departments were renamed the Department of Domestic Information and the Department of International Information, respectively. The audio-visual materials office was expanded into the Department of Audio-Visual Materials. In addition, the Department of Planning was established at this time.

When streamlining the government, the Taiwan Provincial Department of Information was converted into the GIO’s central Taiwan office on July 1, 1999. As this office continued to engage in domestic services, on September 16, 2001, it was renamed the Department of Local Information. To date, the GIO has retained this structure, which is comprised of nine departments and five offices.

Republic of China
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

”Republic of China has been commonly referred to as “Taiwan”, and since the late 1970s the name “China” is commonly used to refer to the People’s Republic of China (PRC). ”

The Republic of China (traditional Chinese: 中華民國; simplified Chinese: 中华民国; Hanyu Pinyin: Zhōnghuá Mínguó; Tongyong Pinyin: Jhonghuá Mínguó; Wade-Giles: Chung-hua Min-kuo) is a state in East Asia. It was one of the victorious powers of World War II and a founding member of the United Nations. Historically, it encompassed all of mainland China before the Kuomintang (KMT) lost control of the mainland to the Communist Party of China at the ceasefire of major hostilities of the Chinese Civil War in 1950. Since then, its authority has been limited to the island groups of Taiwan (Formosa), the Pescadores, Kinmen, and the Matsu Islands. Over subsequent decades, the Republic of China has been commonly referred to as “Taiwan”, and since the late 1970s the name “China” is commonly used to refer to the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Because of diplomatic pressure from the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan) is commonly referred to as “Chinese Taipei” in international organizations. Its capital city is Taipei[1].

The Republic of China was established in 1912, replacing the Qing Dynasty and ending over two thousand years of imperial rule in China. It is the oldest surviving republic in East Asia. The Republic of China on mainland China went through periods of warlordism, Japanese invasion, and civil war between the Kuomintang and the Communists.

Starting in 1928, the Republic of China was ruled by the Kuomintang as an authoritarian one-party state. In the 1950s and 1960s, the KMT went through wide restructuring and decreased corruption and implemented land reform. There followed a period of great economic growth, the Republic of China became one of the Four Asian Tigers, despite the constant threat of war and civil unrest. In the 1980s and 1990s the government peacefully transitioned to a democratic system, with the first direct presidential election in 1996 and the 2000 election of Chen Shui-bian, the first non-KMT president of the ROC.

Basem,
I guess Moto Guzzi are pretty new too, I test rode a Moto Guzzi in May, they must be untried if they are offering test rides.
Test rides are a way of introducing a product to a buyer who may not have had an oportunity to ride the bike. It may be they haven’t heard of the make or maybe they haven’t been able to get a ride on a friends bike. I know I feel a bit nervous spending my hard earned on a vehicle I haven’t tested.
Just because something hasn’t been popular in the USA doesn’t make it untested, it might make it unfamiliar, not untested. By the way I know a lot of happy VenoX owners in USA. (I’m an Aussie) Also you may not have implied that Chinese manufactured goods are crap but it was implied in an earlier post. I’m not here to defend a countries product, I’m here because people were putting crap on what I understand is a very good sub 250 cruiser. Does it have to be revolutionary to be good? You can’t have new and inovative and tried and tested.
George, thanks for posting the stuff about Taiwan, I had it in notepad but you got in first, and second!

QUOTE:” and American consumers are among the most discerning in the world. ”

NOOOO….and I am AMERICAN RED,WHITE & BLUE!!! 3rd generation of a 4 generation MARINE CORP family.

What the American consumer ”cares” about is ”keeping up with the Jone’s”
BIGGER in most eyes means better..from SUV’S to MOTORCYCLES.

The FACT is Tiawainese products in general far surpase Mainland China’s products in all areas. To lump them together is just wrong.

Kwang Yang Motor Co. Ltd., Taiwan’s largest manufacturer of motorcycles and scooters, will premiere several new models at the upcoming 40th Tokyo Motor Show 2007 in Japan.

The trade show, one of the largest and most important of its kind in the world, will be held at Makuhari Messe in Chiba City from Oct. 26 to Nov. 11.

KYMCO is the only Taiwanese company–and one of the only four international firms–to meet the strict qualification standards set by the show organizers. KYMCO will showcase its products on the same stage as the top four Japanese brands:
Honda Motor Co. Ltd.,
Yamaha Motor Co. Ltd.,
Suzuki Motor Corp.
and Kawasaki Motors Corp.

The other three international companies showcasing their products at the show will be the:
U.S-based Harley-Davison Motor Co.,
Triumph Motorcycles Ltd. of England
and Italy’s Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A.

KYMCO plans to use the occasion to debut the Myroad 700i, a 700cc electronic fuel-injected high-end scooter with the biggest engine ever produced by a Taiwanese motorcycle company.

Basem….just want to say that you are doing an excellent job with articles on this site.I belong to the emailing list and look forward to them.

obxbiker,

Thanks for the note; I appreciate it!

You know 50% of these people don`t even know where Taiwan is. These people will be around when their all mighty H.D. will have been put to the junk yard.

I guess all of the back and forth about KYMCO isn’t getting us anywhere but one thing is for sure. Any manufacturer that sells in the USA must compete with the Harley name. Most Harley riders cannot understand why anyone would ride anything but a Harley! I guess the second most popular manufacturer is Honda. In my book that is the hurdle anyone must overcome. I know that KYMCO makes a great scooter but they must prove to a doubting American public that they can compete with other manufacturers when it comes to cruisers!

WoW!!! I can’t believe what I’m reading in some of these posts. I thought prejudice was something that we Americans fight against. I am an american and I own a Korean bike called a Hyosung GV250. And I am very proud of my bike. I guarantee, I’m as proud of my bike as anyone is of their bikes. I am a biker, the same as the 1200cc rider is, or the 1800cc rider is. Get off your high horses and learn to respect all the bikes. I don’t damn the Honda’s, Harley’s or any other bikes. In fact I see some of them as innovators. A motorcycle is a motorcycle whether it is from China, Korea, or the U.S. I hear it all the time. That’s only a 250cc, that’s not a real bike. Shame on you. A real biker wouldn’t say that. I know, I’m a real biker and I ride with other real bikers with pride. And have been for some time now.

Well said, Dragonryder (applause). I’m an owner of a 750cc bike but get along with underbone users very well. True to what you said, a real biker wouldn’t look down fellow biker with smaller engine. I’m planning to trade in my bike with a Shongzhen 250cc sports touring. Will that disqualify me from being a biker?
By the way, your Hyosung GV250 is one quite nice bike, too!

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I live in Montevideo, Uruguay. Moved here from Toronto in 2006. Since late 1990’s have only owned scooters. Derbi, Burgman 400’s and Aprilia Scarabeo’s.
Tried to buy a Kymco Xciting 500 but they dont arrive here until mid November. Didn’t want to wait. Bought a Grand Dink (now there’s a dumb name in English) 250 scooter. I think it’s called a Grand Vista or something like that in the US.
I compared it side by side by Yamaha Magestic and Suzuki Burgmans here. Finishing was just as good if not better. Toys were interesting too. Had the electric folding mirrors just like the Burmgan Executive. Has an underseat cellphone setup I guess Taiwanese use to stay on bluetooth all day in traffic.
My nephew’s been a motorcycle mechanic here for the past 10 years. He says the mechanics are as good as any japanese bike he’s worked on.
Last thing. Guess who reps Kymco in Uruguay? The HD distributor. That tells you something.
I love it for city driving.

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